Posted by WDM (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A great job TPD.

Posted by Virtuous (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Woods is alleged to have approached the clerk as she was walking to her car to take a deposit to the bank and demanded money from her at gunpoint."

How in the world did they know she was taking a deposit to the bank? How did they know she even worked in the store? Hmmm...

Posted by Thomas_Jefferson (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fox,

If you would like a new rifle I could point you in the right direction. I am afraid however, you will not be allowed to own a m203 grenade launcher. You see they are not for civilian use.

God bless America for all the people like you that want to stand up for our rights. Your fine leadership is a shining beacon of hope for the future.

Posted by TroyAlumna (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyways, back to the article...Way to go TPD! :)

Posted by turtle (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's not hard to know that someone is going to the bank, they have a huge deposit bag with them that is easily recognizable as a deposit bag. Also all they had to do was look through the window and see the woman working behind the counter to know she was an employee. They could have been watching the place.

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen WDM

Main thing is this woman was not hurt physically. Emotional damage is another thing....and hopefully in time she will heal.

As usual....great work TDP!

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm sure you nailed it turtle. Bank bags are very recognizable...and not hard to take note of a schedule for something like this.

Posted by Thomas_Jefferson (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My dearest Fox,

I realize your sarcasm is part of your nature. Your thinly vailed sardonicism is apparent to anyone. You come across as being full of hate and blind to any view other than your own. You reject the fact that handgun bans do not help (Chicago).

Based on your comments on this message board I am lead to believe that you are an educated person but at the same time unwilling to look at any issue except from the view of the most "liberal" of ideals. You would fit in nicely on John Stewarts program.

Posted by Virtuous (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, store procedures should be held accountable for this as well. I have seen first hand a few establishments who have their employees doing bank drops and no one would even know it (OUTSIDE of the employees. And I did say "employees"...plural). As far as a bank bag..you wouldn't even be able to notice they had one.

Bank drops should not be routine as far as time and person. I have walked in a store and witnessed an employee making up deposit slips, and everything needed to make a deposit. That's crazy. Why would you do that in plain view of customers who, from the looks of this article and maybe others, may be casing the store.

These people are crazy and seem to be going to grave lengths to take what doesn't belong to them. We have to be EXTRA cautious and not "advertise". This should be in the training manual/program for every new employee and regular updates should be made.

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I certainly agree Virtuous

In my late teens I was a cashier. When we emptied our register......we brought the money bag into the boss' office. There was a safe there with kind of a roller type thing on top. You laid the bag in pocket (so to speak) then rolled the bag into the safe.

The bags of money were deposited by the boss himself.

I'm sure there will be some policy and procedure changes going on at Beeline after this.

Posted by WDM (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe the employees did it by the book,as turtle said these guys could have been watching the place for weeks,or maybe a family member knew this lady took the money to the bank at a certain time and slipped up and told a friend etc.etc.
You shouldn't blame someone unless you know all the facts.
I don't know the fact either but I try to keep an open mind.
Plus I don't really care how or why it happened just glad they were caught and no one was hurt.

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh WDM....I am not at all blaiming anyone and yes......thank God no one was hurt.

I'm sure things were done the way they were told to do. Just saying that perhaps they need to do something different than what they were told to do.....and perhaps at different times when it comes to banking the money bags.

Posted by WDM (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bama my comment wasn't directed at you,sorry if you thought so.

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh ok WDM.......thanks...

Posted by OPTIMISTIC (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MY OPINION IS THAT THEY KNEW TO MUCH ABOUT THE STORE...HUMMM...WAS THIS PRE-PLANNED??? WERE THERE SOME INSIDE CONNECTIONS IN THE STORE??? THIS CASE WILL BE TOO EASY CAUSE OF HOW THESE GUYS WENT ABOUT THIS ROBBERY. SO THIS CASE DEFINATELY WILL COME TOGETHER

Posted by Virtuous (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am NOT blaming anyone. Should I look at your "maybe this or maybe that" comment as being judgemental and not having an open mind? So lets take a look at your logic in your comment which will further be cause for more cautious measures...shall we?

"Maybe the employees did it by the book,as turtle said these guys could have been watching the place for weeks,or maybe a family member knew this lady took the money to the bank at a certain time and slipped up and told a friend etc.etc."

The only way someone will know the time employees make bank drops is by employees TALKING TOO MUCH! Therefore; I would be not too bright to share that type of information with anyone...not even a family member because it could come up in a casual conversation...small talk...anything. As far as watching the store for weeks...I mentioned that except I worded it different than you - I said "case/casing" the store. Thus my comment for not making it routine as far as time and/or person.

Clearly, my post were suggestions about how we as employees can help alleviate this type of occurrances. Why you took it as me blaming someone without knowing the facts? I don't know because THAT is certainly NOT what I was doing. I was only throwing out suggestions.

Now that I look back at my post, maybe the part where I said "Well, store procedures should be held accountable for this as well". That statement is in response to turtle's comment (which you agreed with) about how they may have known who she was and that she was going to make a deposit.

Well, I don't know if any of us will ever know why these things happen. You may not care how it happened, but I certainly would like to know how it happened and how we as a society can help each other in TRYING to strengthen safety policy and procedures. People's lives are at stake and we should do ALL that we can to cover ourselves.

I don't know if there are teams of experts who are assigned to cases like these who advise store owners about scenerios that have taken place and what EXTRA precautians they can take concerning robberies (armed/unarmed). The only facts needed for that is the fact that it happened.

Maybe I worded it the wrong way for you but I didn't mean it the way you took it.

Posted by turtle (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You are right Virtuous, there should be some sort of policy in place. I know in the past when I've had to do deposits, especially large amounts, the TPD would assist in accompanying to the bank. I've also seen them do this at Wal-mart and other places. Theoretically the bag shouldn't be visible but I wasn't there so I don't know. I was just giving scenarios.

All I can say is with the holidays coming up and the economy like it is people need to be extra cautious because robberies are on the rise and they are becoming more brazen and dangerous.

Posted by inaword (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 6:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh FoX, you had me at "what America needs..." Then you blew it!

Maybe if everyone knew she was packing heat, this would have never happened.

There is a little store near TU that the guy working there every night made it a point to exhibit his 45 revolver as soon as he got out of his car all the way into the store, where he put it out of sight. I can't remember that store EVER being held up. (Even when he was not working).

Posted by OldSchoolPike3Worker (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that it would be more efficient for the federal government to violate the 2nd amendment than to try to get 50 different states to all agree to a gun ban. I mean really, that whole thing about local governments and voters having more access just gets in the way of reform. That whole federalism thing just gets in the way. Don't you agree?

Posted by my_name_is_nobody (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 8:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe we should ban marijuana within the entire country (medical exceptions, of course). Then it wouldn't be so rampant. Oh wait...

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Seems that the guns of choice for crime and gang activity are the automatic and semi automatics. Someone buying one of those has GOT to be up to "no good". Start banning those and there would probably be a decrease in gun related crime I'm sure.

Remember the guy in Dothan that went crazy and shot those people? His guns out matched the cop's guns.

Posted by OldSchoolPike3Worker (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 9:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The truth is there is not a law or regulation that we can pass that will keep people from doing bad things. Banning guns only keep law abiding people from having them.

Posted by my_name_is_nobody (anonymous) on October 28, 2009 at 9:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe if we ban ban kevlar nationwide like we have banned marijuana...

Posted by inaword (anonymous) on October 29, 2009 at 12:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

fox I like your idea about requiring everyone to pack better, that way everybody has a fair chance.

Posted by Virtuous (anonymous) on October 29, 2009 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, I know, turtle. I was only throwing out ideas to scenerios. I think we all agree but with different views.

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on October 29, 2009 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think assault guns/weapons should only be available for the police and military.

When the Constitution and second Amendment was written....automatic and semi automatic weapons were things developed in the long distant future and could never be even imagined back then.

Would be nice to have perhaps an addendum to the second Amendment banning all assault weapons for citizens with exemptions only for police and military.

Posted by inaword (anonymous) on October 29, 2009 at 5:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Legally bought and owned semi automatic weapons are the exception not the rule in crime.

And the argument that all semi automatics should be banned, how about prescription drugs. People abuse them everyday with dreadful consequences. Should we restrict the use of them to hospitals? I don't know the statistics, but I'm sure (otherwise) legal drugs kill as many people as handguns.

Posted by inaword (anonymous) on October 29, 2009 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am waiting with bated breath for your response to the prescription post FoX...

Posted by OldSchoolPike3Worker (anonymous) on October 29, 2009 at 10:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fox, why do you want to solve all of society's problems by taking innocent people's rights away from them? I know your view on health care does just that, by taking property from Americans and distributing it to those who some government official deems worthy. Now you want to keep me from owning a gun. My health care and how I pay for it is none of your business. My right to own a gun is guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment. Is it just because you don't like that amendment or understand why it was added just after the beloved "freedom of speech" one? You seem to think that the Constitution is either outdated or irrelevant in our time. I for one refuse to let the erosion of our constitution be the first option that I choose when wanting to better our society. I believe that this nation has become the greatest nation in the world in the brief span of about 200 years because of our constitution. It is because from our founding, we were a people that understood that God gave each individual certain rights that no person or government should take away. The difference between you and I is this; I believe that we have degraded as a society as a result of our straying from our fear of God and subsequently rejecting the role of God in our personal lives. If a person does not fear God, then that person would surely have an issue with a government that is based in that fear. A God fearing man does not rob stores, or expect someone else to spend their hard earned money on more noble causes than they would be willing to spend it on. On the other hand, you seem to think that our Constitution would be better off being scrapped and a more en lighted ruling document be forged that allows smart and knowledgeable people like yourself to just fix the problems that we have with no regard with what is taken from others achieve that goal. History is full of men like yourself. Some were rulers of other men. We have thousands of years of tyrannical governance that we can study. America has little blood on her hands compared to the blood spilled by the well intentions of rulers with unchecked treasure and power. The answer is IN the Constitution not AWAY from it. America was and is the answer to the problem of tyranny in the world. The Constitution was put in place to provide us with a government that let us live lives in freedom. The 2nd Amendment was put in the Constitution to give us recourse against that government should it move toward tyranny. You say that it is pointless for a people armed with rifles, shotguns and pistols to fight for freedom against the greatest armed force in the world. The King of England agreed with you. At least until the end of the revolutionary war.

Posted by OldSchoolPike3Worker (anonymous) on October 30, 2009 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do you think that a restriction is not an infringement? If we were told that we could speak out against our government as long as it was approved ahead of time by government censors, would that not be an infringement of our first amendment rights? Free Speech doesn't have to be restricted for that right to be infringed upon. How can a person keep and bear arms if they are restricted from owning them?
The 16th amendment was originally intended to put a 2% tax on corporations. Not the wages of individual citizens. And even if it was, 2% is a far cry from the amount of taxes that are paid today by individuals. In typical liberal fashion, that amendment was incrementally changed by the Supreme Court over a number of rulings to use it as a basis for taking my hard earned money and paying for things that other Americans can't afford.

Posted by OldSchoolPike3Worker (anonymous) on October 30, 2009 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By the way. Our going back and forth on this is moot anyway. This country has no money. $0. Any new entitlement program would have to come from borrowing from the Chinese or making our money worth less by printing more.