Posted by uglydog65 (anonymous) on May 1, 2009 at 6:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Brundidge use to be such a nice town. There have been other incidents that involved public servants (Ha) that have quietly disappeared.

Posted by elvis2 (anonymous) on May 1, 2009 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

thegame , yes you are showing your stupidity . When you know nothing about a subject it is best to refrain from commenting on it . As the article states no one seems to know anything much about what happened . Why not wait and get some facts before running off at the mouth.

Posted by Jack_Bauer (anonymous) on May 1, 2009 at 11:43 a.m.

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Posted by aht1998 (anonymous) on May 1, 2009 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Could it be because they are the ones committing the crimes and that is why they are the ones being arrested?

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Posted by elvis2 (anonymous) on May 1, 2009 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ahi1998 , I think you nailed it on your first try .

Posted by Jack_Bauer (anonymous) on May 1, 2009 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

white devil

Posted by uglydog65 (anonymous) on May 1, 2009 at 7:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I missed Jacks other statements, but his latest says a lot "white devil". Why is it that if a white says black devil it is a raciest comment, but if a black say it , it is not a racial comment? I have not heard any thing about the Auburn councilman that removed flags from the graves. I do not go into any cemetery remove or add anything (permanent) without the permission of the family. In the past year I added with the permission of the family a head stone for a black gentleman I had known for years. Most blacks or whites do not live up to the dignity with which this person approached life.

Posted by uglydog65 (anonymous) on May 1, 2009 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It appears this incident (alleged) happen in Coffee County and falls under their jurisdiction? With the Brundidge Police Dept. involved will the ABI be brought in and the office of the Alabama Attorney General? This could get very interesting. Temperature in Brundidge could reach an all time high!

Posted by elvis2 (anonymous) on May 1, 2009 at 8:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I grew up 76 years ago and "thegame' if you'll reread your first comment and compare it to aht1998 's comment there is no way you could be saying the same thing . Perhaps your the one who needs to grow up as you sound like a young , wet behind the ears , befuddled young man .

Posted by OldSchoolPike3Worker (anonymous) on May 1, 2009 at 8:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Alleged incident?" If the incident was alleged, doesn't that make the complaint unfounded? Or even this article a work of fiction? Then that means this post is even more meaningless. Hmm.

Posted by uglydog65 (anonymous) on May 1, 2009 at 9:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The American Heritage Dictionary

allege--To assert to be true; affirm; declare. To assert without proof.

I am using it in perimeters that everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I see that an arrest has been made. At this point I have more questions than answers. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then it's a......

Posted by monk_jonas (anonymous) on May 1, 2009 at 10:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

elvis2, I've always had respect for your posts, but you are out of line on this one. Thegame was only asking a question that I myself asked, why the wife was the one stating what happened and not the alleged victim. Furthermore, you don't know what thegame knows or doesn't know. Maybe he knows some of these people involved. At any rate, it seemed to me he was only expressing an opinion.....no need to get hostile with him. And I, my friend, am not young nor wet behind the ears.

Posted by uglydog65 (anonymous) on May 1, 2009 at 10:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OldSchool if you saw this incident and are prepared to stand in a court of law with your hand on a Bible and say he is guilty, I would love to have more information.

Posted by uglydog65 (anonymous) on May 1, 2009 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If I were the victim of an assault, I would talk to the police and the district attorney and not the paper, unless they took no action.

Way past bed time.

Posted by septuagenarian (anonymous) on May 1, 2009 at 10:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do I always miss Jack Bauer saying "white devil?" I wish they'd let it stay on a little longer!! What a character.

Posted by alonecitygal (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 12:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You know I find it very strange that all these incidents continue to happen in Brundidge, and they all walk scott free, and NOTHING ever happens to local the "law enforcement THERE, or any one with any rank!!" They are eradicated, but I HOPE THE ERADICATIONS END< THEY NEED TOO!!! There have been MANY MANY incidents in Brundidge that have happened, however nothing was done, and to stand behind a BADGE, in which we teach our children, now, "if you need help then go to the police!" But thank God one or two bad apples don'ts spoil the whole tree, maybe. Other towns close by do not play!!! But remember everyone has a boss!! But the mediais sometimes is the only way to get help for some! Some really have no IDEA what some have to go through or have gone through in that town! Also "Jack Bauer has a rectal cranial problem", a racist one at that!!!

Posted by maestro61 (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 4:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with you on a lot that you said,but i think that all of them involved should take a lie detector test to see who's lying.

Posted by uglydog65 (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I see breaking news has been removed.

The victim may have been at work or in the rest room when the paper called. If false acquisitions were made against me, I have the recourse to sue in court for slander. The same rules do not apply to a public official. In the 1960s a Supreme Court heard a case involving a white public official that charged he was slandered. As I understand it the court ruled that because he was a public official it was part of the job and he could not claim damages. My question is if he were a black politician would he have received the same ruling? All the above is alleged.

Back in the 60s and 70s when there were riots in the streets, buildings and whole parts of cites been burn to the ground, vandalize and thievery, I would have been called a racist. Through the years I have found out I don't like whites much either. Breaking the law is wrong no matter what race dose it.

I am looking forward to a time when someone can be elected to office because of what he can do and not because of what they are. I find it hard to understand why a law is discriminatory when it is applied to all, such as the requirement that everyone have liability insurance before they can get a tag or cameras at stop lights.

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I see nothing in the article that says "why" Mr. Schultz was stopped.

And yes...I am sick and tired of hearing "white devil" and "white trash". To me there is no such thing as "reverse discrimination" because "discrimination" is "discrimination" no matter what color or creed a person is that makes those derogatory and needless remarks.

I read comments and voice my own opinion based on what was posted and do not even think of "color". But then someone makes a remark like Jack Bauer calling people "white trash" or "white devil" and everyone is supposed to sit back and accept that?? I don't think so!

If I had posted "black trash" or "black devil"....I would be called a "racist" and it would be a whole different ballgame. But people that make such remarks think it's ok. Well damnit it's NOT ok. Those type of comments merely fuel fires that lead to anger and hatred....and those that have made comments like that want just that.....to fuel a racial fire.

So why can we not just read comments....and respond one way or the other without making off the wall statements but only taking into consideration the post and not what color the person may be that commented????

Posted by atthehump84 (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You people crack me up. I want to thank you all for putting a smile on my face every time I get to read the comments posted to stories on this web site. Most of the time it starts off about the article, but more times than not, ends up about something totally different. As for the article, I smell a liar. I don’t know who but rest assured there is one. You can also be assured that the public will never know the rest of the story.

Posted by monk_jonas (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Isn't it ironic that 'Jack Bauer' chose an ID name of a 'white character'. I think Jack Bauer is trying his hand at humor, and it's just not funny.....As far as this story, it's so full of holes, it doesn't sound real. I don't know any of the people involved, but the story doesn't say the coucilman did anything wrong. His presence there (if he was) seems to be a non issue. Also, the fact that a stop was made outside the jurisdiction is more of a non issue than most people think, because the article states that the incident originated in Brundidge. What does strike me as odd is that if the Police went to all that trouble to unjustly harass this person, why didn't they just take him into custody and charge him with some 'trumped up charge'. Certainly not ethical, or legal, but it would make more sense that what is being said. And as far as his wife talking with the Messenger....if her husband was unavailable, couldn't she have just said, he can't come to the phone right now, but you need to talk to him? Or, if I was writing the story, I believe I would have politely listened to the man's wife vent, and then asked if she could have her husband call the Messenger, or find out when he would be available. Seems too simple. This whole story stinks.

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have to agree with you Monk. The wife should have passed on comments to the press because it sounds like she was not even there and what she said I would consider "heresay".

Why was this man stopped in the first place?

It's an interesting story but like you said it's full of holes and stinks....and I am very curious as to how this will pan out.

Posted by pchsalum (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have to agree with alonecitygal. Things have got to change in Brundidge. Also, those in Brundidge have got to remember that what goes around comes around. You can't do people wrong, spread untrue rumors about them and go free. Maybe Griffin will remember that next time.

Posted by pchsalum (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

alonecitygal

"some really have no idea what some have to go through or have gone through in that town" That is SO true. You really don't know these people unless you have dealt with them yourselves!

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It IS scary to think that such behavior is tolerated. Details are still a bit sketchy as to why this actually happened. If there really was an injustice done to Mr. Schultz...then I applaud him for the legal actions he is taking.

If there is no foundation to his complaint...then that will come out in court too....and those accused will be vindicated.

Hopefully all will come out in court and justice will be served.

Posted by elvis2 (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Messenger ran a flash bulletin last night saying Griffin had been arrested and to read Sunday's edition for the complete story. Why they did not have the article in todays paper is anyones guess .

Posted by monk_jonas (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

From what I've heard from many people who live there, things do indeed need to change in Brundidge....I don't disagree with that. The people of Brundidge re-elected Jimmy Ramage, which I thought was a shame. I have no doubt that the administration, and from everything I've heard, the police department, needs to be cleaned up from the top, all the way down. However, it seems that many of the posts are due to dislike for the administration and police department, which should have no bearing on the story. The story doesn't make any sense. There's a lot that's not being told about this incident, and we'll probably never know what was really going on or why.

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sunday's edition of the Messenger should be a very interesting read.

Posted by monk_jonas (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Could be. ;)

Posted by WDM (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Monk,I can understand his wife doing the talking,he could of said he didn't want to talk to the paper and she wanted their story told so she did the talking,also he could have seen the gun before or after he was hit that wouldn't have been hard to do.But what do you think about them waiting untill they were in Coffee county before he was stopped.Like you said it all looks odd.

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'll tell you one thing....if I were ever stopped for no reason (and I emphasize "no reason")....and then cuffed and hit for no reason...not only would I be talking to the papers...I'd be talking to "60 Minutes" too!

Posted by turtle (anonymous) on May 2, 2009 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, I used to think alot of some of the "higher ups" as I'll call them in the Brundidge political circle but after having to deal with some total bs as it relates to how they have treated the local school on some issues, I have lost all respect for them.

I've never had a problem personally with Chief Davenport, nor any other officers of the BPD in the past or now and I've known alot of them. I don't know Mr. Griffin either.

Hopefully more will come out and things will be clearer either way. I hate to see Brundidge get more of a "bad rep" than it already has because there are alot of good people in the community who do try and do good things. Sadly it is just a small town and small town politics just bite, but it goes on all over Pike County and other areas, not just one place.

Posted by monk_jonas (anonymous) on May 3, 2009 at 12:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WDM,the only reason I could see him being stopped in Coffee County is if he failed to stop while they were making an effort to stop him. At that point, crossing the county line would be a non issue. I'm not taking either side on this one (I've heard so much about Brundidge and it's police department, and I know that some small towns can be corrupt). I still think Mr. Schultz should have been the one to tell his story to the media and not his wife. I just don't feel right about that. As far as being cuffed, if the officer(s) felt he was a threat to them or anyone, they would have the right to cuff him while checking out whatever the situation was. Another big hang up I'm having is the 'why'. No one has addressed that. There has to be a reason he was stopped, etc., etc., etc., even if it was the wrong thing for the police to do. There is something no one is telling here that will make all the difference if it ever comes out. Somebody crossed somebody the wrong way. I have a feeling it will remain a mystery, and this will all blow over.

Posted by alonecitygal (anonymous) on May 3, 2009 at 2:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OKAY make a citizens arrest.......oh yeah I can really see that one happening!! You can't even make a arrest if its not a citizens arrest!! IT is called "COLOR OF LAW"!! Now that may not be in the Funk and Wagnals dictionary may need to go to Blacks Legal dictionary on that one!! Also monk you say that this should have no bearing on administration or law enforcement, but that is where the problem is around this story and many others that have been left untold.....

Posted by monk_jonas (anonymous) on May 3, 2009 at 2:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Is it really, alonecitygal....you seem not to know much about law enforcement. As far as a 'citizen's arrest', you most certainly can make one, if you know what your doing (I won't tell you how, you sound like you would be dangerous with that kind of knowledge). I don't know what your agenda is, but it sounds like you have a lot of hate. If the law enforcement is so bad, go to a council meeting and complain.....if that doesn't do any good, then don't elect the same old people to fill the same old positions again. But coming on here and whining to me or about something I posted isn't going to change the way Brundidge is ran. But then again, I don't live there and I didn't elect these people. ;) Have a nice day.

Posted by alonecitygal (anonymous) on May 3, 2009 at 3:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah Monk and neither do I live there!!!! and neither did I elect or re-elect........and go to a council meeting.......get real.....and as far as a citizen's arrest, I do know how, but have got better sense......and I am not "whining" as you put it to you about anything you posted......just doing what you are, being opinionated! Every day is nice that a person is able to get up ALIVE.......and be thankful for another day! I don't have alot of "hate" either, maybe a fed up mentality but all the political bullcrap that citizens have to endure in Brundidge........you are right Brundidge will never be changed in how it is run!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by WDM (anonymous) on May 3, 2009 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If you don't live in Brundidge why are you so upset about what goes on there???

Posted by monk_jonas (anonymous) on May 3, 2009 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WDM, that's what I like about your posts, they always make sense, and I agree with you 100%. Alonecitygal, I just explained what the citizens of Brundidge or any town can do if they don't like the administration or the PD. And I agree one would be wise not to make a citizen's arrest unless he/she have all their ducks in a row. As presented in the articles written on this, there isn't much to work with unless you want to say BPD and Mr. Griffin are automatically guilty you don't like them and chose to believe Mr. Schultz, and I won't say that because I know neither anyone on the BPD, Mr. Griffin, nor do I know Mr. Schultz. I'm sure Chief Deputy Whitworth (he and I go back about 30 years in law enforcement....I won't elaborate on my thoughts about him, however), and the Coffee County Sheriff's Department will conduct a reasonable investigation, and if assistance is needed they will call in help from the state. I'm voicing my opinion on years of experience in the field, not with personalities of the Brundidge administration or PD. If they did wrong, I, probably more than most would want them convicted and punished for being a blight (if they are proven so) to the law enforcement community.

Posted by WDM (anonymous) on May 3, 2009 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Monk,sounds like you may not care for Whitworth,don't know him myself but I think Sheriff Sutton is doing agood job.

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on May 3, 2009 at 4:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Now if we can just find out why Mr. Schultz was pulled over because inquiring Messenger readers want to know! <s>

Posted by alonecitygal (anonymous) on May 3, 2009 at 4:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WHY am I upset about Brundidge? I said, "I do not live there!," I did not say that I never did! I am not saying I like nor dislike anyone in this article. My whole point is that something needs to change there and until someone LISTENS, it will all stay the same. It is getting worse as time goes by, and there are some, not all, that bring disgrace there, to a Badge! Sad but true, and law enforcement I do support! Not just on a local level, either. But when you are on the "wrong side of the fence" so to speak, you listen to good advice........like get along or get the h---- out! Some choose to get along with the BS and some choose to get the H---- out......it will all come out wash day.........whenever that will be.???? If ever!!

Posted by monk_jonas (anonymous) on May 3, 2009 at 7:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WDM, LOL, Ronnie Whitworth and I have butted heads a few times in years past (he's just so darned arrogant...and I say that with a smile). But I believe he'll conduct a fair investigation, and I don't doubt for a minute that if these allegations can be proven, he'll do whatever he can to see justice done. It's like I've said, I'm not taking sides, but I don't like jumping the gun on complaints like this. I do want to see the truth come out and justice done.

Posted by monk_jonas (anonymous) on May 3, 2009 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bamabunny, that's what I'm waitng for. Like Paul Harvey used to tell it, I want to know the rest of the story. There's a story here, I have no doubt, and if it would come out, it may get pretty deep (I don't know, just a gut feeling, but I keep thinking there may be something none of the people involve want to be made known).

Posted by WDM (anonymous) on May 3, 2009 at 8:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Monk,I feel the same way I don't know either one of them and we haven't heard the full story yet.As I have told you before I have family in law enforcement and I hate to see anything that puts them in a bad light.Maybe we will hear more in afew days.By the way thanks for the compliment in your earlier post.I feel the same about what you say.

Posted by monk_jonas (anonymous) on May 3, 2009 at 8:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You are very welcome, WDM. It bothers me that so many jump to the conclusion that the police are always wrong and corrupt, however, like you, I hate for anyone in law enforcement to put their fellow officers in a bad light by being less than honest and honorable. When that happens, I want to see the 'bad' officers dealt with in an appropriate manner, and for people to realize that they shouldn't judge all officers by the 'bad' ones. I hope we hear more in a few days, also. Maybe something will come out in the investigation that will allow this to be resolved soon.

Posted by alonecitygal (anonymous) on May 4, 2009 at 6:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Monk_ WDM, etc. Be rest assured that the "bad officers" DO NOT spoil the whole tree, thank GOD! There are some that have FAITH and respect for a Badge, of Law Enforcement, and I do know some about law enforcement, of course, not as much as one, much less a retired one like yourself, however unfortunately, I have endured the bad side many many times, and know of others, as well in Brundidge that have. I also know of some good there, however, I personally know of a woman approximately, 5 years ago that pulled into a gas station in Brundidge, on 231, that was very sick, and asked the officer to please call her an ambulance, and he looked at this woman and said, " I ain't calling you no damn ambulance", well the cashier did! NOW I would like to know what that would fall under???
It is not a issue here alone, the the BPD are always wrong, and corrupt, but the propensity for things to continue in the fashion that they have for years now, well go figure. IA needs to get in there and and the HOPES of Washington that was posted on the other article are a dream and prayer for many. People are afraid to speak out in Brundidge, because they want to live, they have families, children etc.
Some are tired of running, and running for safety!!
I am not familiar with Mr. Whitmore, and I am sure he is like what the heck you know?? I am sure he will follow the laws and protocol. But there needs to be ALOT of reading between the lines here, and LISTENING, not just reading and shrugging it off, but listening!! There are are so many things that have happened to some, but unless protection is guaranteed, it will never come out! PEOPLE NEED HELP!!!! But who, where???? So you relocate, AGAIN to feel safe, to a town where the BADGE is real to ALOT and the utmost respect given, and support. To a team of Officers that do believe in Protecting and Serving. I pray alot comes out in this investigation, and many others.......

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on May 4, 2009 at 8:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Realistically speaking...nothing would have been known if Mr. Schultz had not filed a complaint. Right or wrong...something happened.

It is so very sad though that here and there a few officers become a "bad apple" and tarnish their fellow officers and other department employees.

Not saying this has happened in Brundidge....just a statement of fact that it has happened in other departments.

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on May 4, 2009 at 9:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

alonecitygal

Geeeeeez Louise! That's a pretty hefty statement about the BPD.

Coming from the north and being dubbed an honorary "rebel"...I have only read about small town justice being "over the line."

I am accustomed to reading about mob hits....and 9 times out of 10 when the siren went off for the fire department at 3 am....it usually meant that there was a car on fire with a body in the trunk...and whatever was left was still hog tied with piano wire.

BTW Hoffa is in concrete at Giant's stadium under the goal post in Jersey.

Posted by alonecitygal (anonymous) on May 4, 2009 at 9:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hoffa may be in the concrete, Bamabunny, at the Giants stadium in Jersey, I have been there, but rest assure "AL CAPONE" was and did good! He feed the poor etc. and looked after good! I am quite sure Mr. Capone, left ones to make sure "good", does not get buried under a goal post somewhere, or "hog tied" with piano wire!!! If so, then the last breath here is the first there! FEAR is faith in reverse and when it gets to this point in life, you get the mentality, that maybe, just maybe someone will LISTEN and believe...
FYI the ambulance thing is minor....and maybe "Hefty", but the truth will set you free.......right???? or will it??? I guess the tin cans just need to keep ringing and rattling huh????

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on May 4, 2009 at 9:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Most mobsters are very charitable alonecitygal...I know that for a fact.

Thing is if something does not go the way they want...many suffer and are killed over it....and for the most part in a very unpleasant way.

I feel assured though that this incident will go to court and the truth will come out. Either way someone has got to lose...and I hope it's the "bad guy" that loses...who ever that "bad guy" happens to be.

Posted by alonecitygal (anonymous) on May 4, 2009 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is really at the point, Bama that you begin to burn bridges, and try not to look back, and try to enjoy what is left of your life, in Peace, and Peace being a state of mind, it is becomes mind over matter! If you have any left. And charitable assests in any form are always welcomed!!!! Especially when innocent, people are being done wrong, people, that are dieing anyway, just quicker than others, and just want to enjoy what is left. It is just a hope and prayer that changes will be made for those innocent ones left there, and OUR FUTURE! Because Father Time is ticking here with me, and one day the chips will fall where they may...."Bad Guy".........hmmm... I will take the 5th!!! I see hear and speak no evil........right???

Posted by Bamabunny (anonymous) on May 4, 2009 at 11:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

alonecitygal

Believe me I have no problem not looking back <s>

But yes there are a lot of things that are swept under the carpet when it comes to the law.

But know too that the charitable donations that the mobsters "give away" are from crimes committed and more times than none there is blood on that money.

There are a lot of police officers in my family from homicide detectives to Lt of Detectives...to patrol officers and all work in NYC. Some of the things that I was told about criminals and mobsters and their days in court would curl your hair.