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County lodging tax passed
County Commission approves 2 percent tax, will go to legislature
Published Wednesday, November 12, 2008
As their first order of business, the newly sworn in Pike County Commission did their part to pass a lodging tax on local hotels, but it wasn’t without opposition.
With a 3-2 majority, and one vote abstained, the commissioners passed a draft resolution to present to the local legislators for their next session.
Commissioners approved a 2 percent tax on all hotels and motels in the county, which will be added to the existing state and city lodging taxes.
District 1 Commissioner Homer Wright, who originally proposed the lodging tax, said this is a way to generate revenues without taxing resident.
“We are not coming up with any other solution of getting revenue right now,” Wright said. “If we apply for a grant, we have no money to match it.”
But, Commission Chairman Robin Sullivan and District 3 Commissioner Jimmy Barron voted against the tax, saying they want to protect local business owners who bring in people from out of town, as well as hotel owners who could lose business to other counties.
“I don’t want to see local businesses hurt,” Barron said. “They bring people in and provide room and board for people for sometimes three or four days.”
Wright, however, said local businesses would be impacted no matter how the commission voted, since the county will have to find some way to generate funds, like passing a tax directly on county residents.
“It’s going to hurt them either way,” Wright said.
Commissioners Ray Goodson and Charlie Harris also voted with Wright to pass the tax, while the new District 6 Commissioner Karen Berry abstained, saying she hadn’t studied the proposal enough.
County Attorney Allen Jones said the resolution will now be presented to Rep. Alan Boothe and Sen. Wendall Mitchell for the next state legislative session in February, and it will be up to them to decide whether it will be a tax voted on by county residents.
Barron said the cost of a special election, should the legislators decide to leave it up to a referendum, was another concern he had about the lodging tax.
“The money we would spend on a special election would cost probably $30,000, and are we going to get that in return?” Barron said. “If it doesn’t pass, then we’ll lose $30,000 that we don’t have now.”
Commissioners also were split in electing a new commission chairman.
Barron, Sullivan and Berry voted for Sullivan to be reelected as chairman, while Harris, Wright and Goodson voted against him.
As it stands now, Sullivan will reside as chair for now, since he was the past chair, a precendent based on a prior court ruling, Jones said.
However, Harris disagreed with this law, saying an open meetings act stated there is no chair at the first meeting of the year.
“We do not have a chair at the first meeting, nor do we have a vice chair,” Harris said. “Let’s not start off on the wrong foot.”
But, in 2005, Harris returned as the residing chair at the first commission meeting of the year. When the vote was split between he and Sullivan, he remained the chairman throughout the year.
Jones said they would study the laws more prior to the next meeting to determine what to do next.
The commission also approved a employment contract for County Administrator Harry Sanders that would protect him from termination without cause. He is the first county administrator to have a contract.
County Engineer Russell Oliver is the only other county employee to have this type of contract.
Under the contract, Sanders will have 60 days of written notice prior to termination, and with county approval, could continue employment until the time expired. Then, he will receive existing compensation for 90 days.
Goodson was the commissioner to propose the contract, which was approved across the board.
“I feel this would be beneficial to the county and Harry, too,” Goodson said.
Jones said county administrators in most counties have similar contracts.
“It just gives me something I wouldn’t have before,” Sanders said.
Also in the meeting, the county commission:
-elected Goodson as the vice chair.
-granted county employees the same holidays they requested off as last year.
-denied a request from the Salvation Army to put a donation kettle in the courthouse.
With a 3-2 majority, and one vote abstained, the commissioners passed a draft resolution to present to the local legislators for their next session.
Commissioners approved a 2 percent tax on all hotels and motels in the county, which will be added to the existing state and city lodging taxes.
District 1 Commissioner Homer Wright, who originally proposed the lodging tax, said this is a way to generate revenues without taxing resident.
“We are not coming up with any other solution of getting revenue right now,” Wright said. “If we apply for a grant, we have no money to match it.”
But, Commission Chairman Robin Sullivan and District 3 Commissioner Jimmy Barron voted against the tax, saying they want to protect local business owners who bring in people from out of town, as well as hotel owners who could lose business to other counties.
“I don’t want to see local businesses hurt,” Barron said. “They bring people in and provide room and board for people for sometimes three or four days.”
Wright, however, said local businesses would be impacted no matter how the commission voted, since the county will have to find some way to generate funds, like passing a tax directly on county residents.
“It’s going to hurt them either way,” Wright said.
Commissioners Ray Goodson and Charlie Harris also voted with Wright to pass the tax, while the new District 6 Commissioner Karen Berry abstained, saying she hadn’t studied the proposal enough.
County Attorney Allen Jones said the resolution will now be presented to Rep. Alan Boothe and Sen. Wendall Mitchell for the next state legislative session in February, and it will be up to them to decide whether it will be a tax voted on by county residents.
Barron said the cost of a special election, should the legislators decide to leave it up to a referendum, was another concern he had about the lodging tax.
“The money we would spend on a special election would cost probably $30,000, and are we going to get that in return?” Barron said. “If it doesn’t pass, then we’ll lose $30,000 that we don’t have now.”
Commissioners also were split in electing a new commission chairman.
Barron, Sullivan and Berry voted for Sullivan to be reelected as chairman, while Harris, Wright and Goodson voted against him.
As it stands now, Sullivan will reside as chair for now, since he was the past chair, a precendent based on a prior court ruling, Jones said.
However, Harris disagreed with this law, saying an open meetings act stated there is no chair at the first meeting of the year.
“We do not have a chair at the first meeting, nor do we have a vice chair,” Harris said. “Let’s not start off on the wrong foot.”
But, in 2005, Harris returned as the residing chair at the first commission meeting of the year. When the vote was split between he and Sullivan, he remained the chairman throughout the year.
Jones said they would study the laws more prior to the next meeting to determine what to do next.
The commission also approved a employment contract for County Administrator Harry Sanders that would protect him from termination without cause. He is the first county administrator to have a contract.
County Engineer Russell Oliver is the only other county employee to have this type of contract.
Under the contract, Sanders will have 60 days of written notice prior to termination, and with county approval, could continue employment until the time expired. Then, he will receive existing compensation for 90 days.
Goodson was the commissioner to propose the contract, which was approved across the board.
“I feel this would be beneficial to the county and Harry, too,” Goodson said.
Jones said county administrators in most counties have similar contracts.
“It just gives me something I wouldn’t have before,” Sanders said.
Also in the meeting, the county commission:
-elected Goodson as the vice chair.
-granted county employees the same holidays they requested off as last year.
-denied a request from the Salvation Army to put a donation kettle in the courthouse.
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Posted by shiftingshadows (anonymous) on November 13, 2008 at 8:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If Berry was a good republican she would have voted no on the tax so it would be held up 3-3 :) with neither party having a majority AGAIN, i dont see much getting done in this sense... but of course Harris, Goodson, and Wright want the extra revenue too fit their liberal spending... as i stated before... and Harris?
"However, Harris disagreed with this law, saying an open meetings act stated there is no chair at the first meeting of the year.
“We do not have a chair at the first meeting, nor do we have a vice chair,” Harris said. “Let’s not start off on the wrong foot.”
But, in 2005, Harris returned as the residing chair at the first commission meeting of the year. When the vote was split between he and Sullivan, he remained the chairman throughout the year."
what a hypocrite.
Posted by turtle (anonymous) on November 13, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm for this tax. Let the business owners pay something sometimes instead of the "regular" people instead of getting all the tax breaks. If this doesn't pan out who do you think will have to pay more taxes? US. So go ahead Mr. Barron and Mr. Sullivan and protect the few business owners. I didn't vote for you this time and I won't the next time either.
Posted by shiftingshadows (anonymous) on November 13, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
your missing the point turtle... we tax the motels and hotels, its the people that stay there going to be taxed not the business owners... the regular people will have this tax passed down on them... think about someones family needing to come visit but they dont have a house big enough... its their family that will take the tax... its the ones that have to go there because of a hurricane that will take the tax... thats who you are hurting, the average everyday person... Thank you Mr. Barron for voting NO!
Posted by blissfullygreen (anonymous) on November 13, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't remember the last time I traveled and their WASN'T local lodging tax. Seriously, its not that big of a deal. Do Barron and Sullivan really think people will drive out of county for a hotel instead of paying the tax? Hmmm. Let's talk about that for a minute. Should I spend $2.00 a night on lodging tax, or spend $50 each day in gas driving back and forth from Montgomery to Troy? Looks like a no-brainer to me. The entire composition of the County Commission is a joke to me. Honestly, I don't know how anyone can take Harris seriously. He thinks his position as Commissioner makes him in charge of everything. He is rude to employees at the Court House and has questionable behavior as a bus driver. Why do people in his district keep electing him? I just do not understand it.
Posted by Goldenrod (anonymous) on November 13, 2008 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Turtle:
You voted for Obama didn't you. That's the same kind of logic that I hear most of the Obamanites spouting. Sad, just sad.
Posted by shiftingshadows (anonymous) on November 13, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
bliss, the fact they wouldnt go to montgomery doesnt matter, we alrdy tax them... why raise it? imagine its us going on trips... would you wanna pay the extra amount somewhere? its hurting working class people!
Posted by shiftingshadows (anonymous) on November 13, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
your argument doesnt hold up.. saying they wont go to montgomery doesnt matter... show we raise sales tax on pizza from dominoes just because people wont go to montgomery just to order their pizza? no.
Posted by OldSchoolPike3Worker (anonymous) on November 13, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Turtle, as an employee out here at the Waste Water Treatment Plant, you have just given me a great idea. I think that the "regular" people should be taxed more than non-regular people. This is because "regular" people use more water and electricity when they use the..let's just call them, "facilities." It stands to reason that these "regular" people should pay a higher tax rate. Either that or tax foods that are high in fiber. We'll call it the "fiber tax."
Posted by inaword (anonymous) on November 13, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I spent almost 150 nights out of town in hotels and motels last year, all paid for by my company. What they have for a contental breakfast is more of a concern to me than whether the room costs 79.50 or 81.75. That is why most people travel, for business.
People who are traveling for pleasure care more about how far out of their way they have to go than 1 or 2 dollars difference in the price of a room. Use some common sense folks. Are you going to drive 30 miles to save $1.50? You might complain about the cost of the room, but I seldom look at how much the lodging tax is.
Posted by shiftingshadows (anonymous) on November 13, 2008 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
again, its not about if we are going to drive 30 miles or not... should we tax pizza in troy more because no one will drive to montgomery just to buy it? no we shouldnt... also there are plenty of poor people having to get motels every day... someone being in the hospital, having operations, visiting family, struggling to afford a small vacation... get real people... you are hurting the working class not the "business owners"
Posted by regis (anonymous) on November 13, 2008 at 10:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Give me a frickin break. There are not gonna be less guests at the hotels in Troy because of a lodging tax. Do you live in the real world Shadow? I work in Mobile and other cities all the time. If the lodging tax is gonna add $3 more in Mobile, I am NOT gonna drive to Bay Minette to save that little bit of money. It would cost me an extra hour and gas to drive to the next town. If people are coming to the games here or are driving through and get tired, that little bit of difference is not gonna stop them from staying here. Every town either has lodging tax or will have one soon. And when it costs $75 a night to stay at a hotel in Ozark or $78 to stay at one in Troy, that little bit of difference will not justify the cost of gas and time it takes to drive down there.
Posted by regis (anonymous) on November 13, 2008 at 10:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And your reasoning about families coming here and staying that cannot afford it is complete B.S. Do you know how much rooms cost here? Do you know how much of a difference in cash you are talking about? If you can afford to pay $70 for a room, then $73 is not gonna break you. If that tiny bit of difference is gonna break you, then you need to make other arrangements.
Posted by regis (anonymous) on November 13, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And if you want to complain about something, how about how much hotels charge those poor guests for an overnight stay? How much does it actually cost them to house a guest for one night? Including TV, water, electricity, and maid service, and a glass of juice and a muffin? What about $15? Yet they charge $60-$70. You don't see anything wrong with that? Of course not, it's free enterprise, right? They can charge whatever they want. If people don't like it they can drive down the road 30 miles and pay $55-$65 a night!
Posted by shiftingshadows (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 6:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
regis, you cant read... i said the fact that someone will NOT drive 30 miles DOES NOT make a difference... can you not comprehend that? no one is saying they wont stay here.. however its quite obvious you have NEVER lived on low wage and had to go somewhere for a family member in the hospital for several days with nowhere to stay except hotels... now tell me mr regis, since you obviously didnt read my other post... when did i say anyone would drive anywhere other than troy? it doesnt mean we should raise their tax... people on low wage know how much a few dollars can break them... you my friend have no idea what you are talking about :)
Posted by regis (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 7:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The county is gonna get their money so they are gonna raise taxes. Period. So would you rather they raise taxes on every poor person (since they are your concern) in Pike County or ask a visitor to pay $5 for a week long stay at a hotel?
Posted by shiftingshadows (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 7:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
the county could find ways that arent going to hurt the poor to get their taxes up, how about cutting spending? HOW about not letting Harris, Goodson, and Wright spend so liberally? then we might not be in the hole we are in.
Posted by inaword (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It is a good source of limited funds for the county, period. No matter whose idea it was. All I know about Mr Harris is what I've read in the papers, but if they let this one get away because of politics, it will be a sad thing.
Posted by shiftingshadows (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 8:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
if we let harris keep spending so much this tax wont matter.
Posted by Virtuous (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good job Mr. Barron for voting NO! Including extra taxes on these hotels is a cover up...trying to make people think they have the people's best interest in mind...NOT. He knows full well that if the hotels are taxed, the owners will only pass that tax down to those who lodge there. Shame on you Mr. Wright.
Posted by shiftingshadows (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
very good virtuous, we agree on something :)
Posted by Virtuous (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks, shifting. :)
Posted by regis (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"The hotels will pass the tax onto those who lodge there." Wow. How long did it take you to figure that out? That's what a lodging tax does by definition. But if you are still confused, let me spell it out for you: those who stay at the hotel are the ones who pay the lodging tax.
The county is gonna get the money from somewhere. So who would you rather they got it from? If they don't get it from lodgers, they are gonna get it from you. That's just the way it is. And you already pay taxes for other counties when you go stay at a hotel in any other city.
Posted by shiftingshadows (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
no duh regis do you not read? we already know everything you say... SO STOP REPEATING YOURSELF... as i said, if the 3(HARRIS, wright, and goodson) spenders wouldnt be allowed to throw the counties money away then we wouldnt need this, and we dont need it... end of story kid... learn to read..
Posted by regis (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You are also repeating yourself. I am repeating myself because you are not answering the question, grandpa.
Posted by regis (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
In which areas exactly do you think they are throwing money away?
Posted by shiftingshadows (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
lets see, while reporting the county commission meetings i saw countless amounts of money being thrown at vehicles that were not necessity, vacations and trips for Harris, and among other things 15,000 dollars of the agriculture money given by ron sparks was given away too 4h for no apparent reason... simply because they needed the money and Goodson generously promised them the money even tho only 5,000 was his to use... him and harris got into it for that... was quite funny :) and i only repeate myself when you spout your nonsense.
Posted by regis (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 1:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I should have listened to Mark Twain. Anyway, have you vocalized your concerns to them in person and listened to their side? Or do you just come on here and whine?
Posted by Showdown2 (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 2:28 p.m.
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Posted by Virtuous (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 2:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Showdown, what are you doing?
Posted by shiftingshadows (anonymous) on November 14, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
being the smart history buff he is duhhhh
Posted by REDAY (anonymous) on December 25, 2008 at 9:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have ,in these economic times,reverted back to an earlier time of my childhood,when times were tough,and I learned from my parents the way to progress,and get through life until the economy picked up,as it always will,was to tighten your belt in every way concievable,and pay as you go.If one can't afford to enjoy the finer things in life,then one should only enjoy the bare necessities of life,and within ones sphere,ensure that life is tolerable.I read the rants and raves above,and come to the conclusion,that none of your thoughts rely on reason or origional thought. It seems all of you are spouting flittering ideas that are at the least spourous,and at best leaning on each other for a tad of information,to add to your illbegotten thought pattern.Please people,if you have to tighten your own belt,what makes you think that no one else has to? The county couldn't find it in their best interests to keep up our infrastructure in the good times,so what do you think an extra tax on anyone will do for the common good? This county is run by liberal democrates,and until YOU change that,please don't act as if you're concerned about just another tax that they can waste on whatever their pet projects are.If you're not one of their pets,forget it!!!!!!!!!!
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